Lord Percy / Prof Fuller: Spot the Difference
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Percy: My Lord…
Edmund: Yes, what is it?
Percy: You know, they do say that the Infanta’s eyes are more beautiful than the famous Stone of Galveston.
Edmund: Mm! … What?
Percy: The famous Stone of Galveston, My Lord.
Edmund: And what’s that, exactly?
Percy: Well, it’s a famous blue stone, and it comes (points dramatically) from Galveston.
Edmund: I see. And what about it?
Percy: Well, My Lord, the Infanta’s eyes are bluer than it, for a start.
Edmund: I see. And have you ever seen this stone?
Percy: (nods) No, not as such, My Lord, but I know a couple of people who have, and they say it’s very very blue indeed.
Edmund: And have these people seen the Infanta’s eyes?
Percy: No, I shouldn’t think so, My Lord.
Edmund: And neither have you, presumably.
Percy: No, My Lord.
Edmund: So, what you’re telling me, Percy, is that something you have never seen is slightly less blue than something else you have never seen.
Percy: (finally begins to grasp) Yes, My Lord.
And from the current Times Higher Education Supplement:
…Newton presented his mathematical physics as the divine plan that was implicitly written into the Bible. He clearly thought he had got into God’s mind. In contrast, Darwin pursued the humbler path of William Paley’s analogy of nature’s order being like a watch found on a beach, which implied the existence of a watchmaker. Unfortunately, the fossil record revealed to Darwin only a lot of broken half-watches, nothing that could have been produced by a God worthy of human respect. Darwin’s humility remained, but his faith disappeared.In today’s secular culture, Darwin is more readily embraced than Newton as a scientific icon although Newton remains unquestionably the greater scientist. The American Museum of Natural History has an exhibit devoted to Darwin’s life that includes a reconstruction of his home. This is not surprising. Darwin’s biography projects the politically correct image of a Christian who loses his faith through scientific inquiry. We are unlikely to see a similar exhibit for Newton because his life teaches that the Bible can provide a sure path to great science.
I don’t recall Darwin’s theory being strongly built on fossil evidence. In fact it has a chapter where he talks about the paucity of fossil evidence. Equally I don’t recall the Bible being a primer on basic mathematics, so I’m not convinced that Newton’s tale would be one of the Bible being a sure path to great science. At the end of his life Newton either turned from the Bible to fail at alchemy, or else the Bible’s chapters on alchemy are in error, or as a third option, Fuller is in error and the Bible is irrelevant to Newton’s scientific success.
Fuller goes on:
Contrary to popular accounts, Darwin never provided a mechanistic account of evolution because he lacked a credible theory of genetics. Indeed, by the time The Origin of Species reached its 50th birthday in 1909, Darwin’s theory was itself close to extinction. It could offer only “just so”
The popular accounts that I’ve read say that Darwin failed to provide a mechanistic account of evolution, and instead tried to argue for blending of attributes. I’m not aware of any evidence that Darwin’s theory of Descent with Natural Selection was on its way out before the Modern Synthesis with Mendel’s Genetics. Can anyone suggest some helpful reading to plug that gap?* Mendel’s work was re-discovered in 1900 (Steve Jones Almost Like a Whale 1999 p144). While the importance to evolution was recognised there wasn’t agreement on exactly how that mechanism worked. The discussion was rather vigorous and, I think the first paper to fully synthesise the two didn’t appear till 1918 but there were arguments aplenty before them. Indeed, arguments on the details of mechanism continue to this day, so I’m not quite sure how “close to extinction” is an accurate description. I would have thought a theory close to being discarded would have been ignored rather than debated.
I have to admit Fuller’s arguments are pretty convincing so long as you don’t actually examine the evidence. As a result I’m not that bothered about his opinion per se. What is interesting is the question “How does this stuff get published?”
Incorrect ideas are published all the time. The really interesting ones are the ones that people are still arguing are wrong decades later. If you’re writing on prehistoric Europe then Gordon Childe, who I think has been argued by various people to be wrong on almost every specific detail, is a good place to start. He may be wrong, but he’s interesting, intelligent and a thought-provoking departure point to discuss what may have happened in prehistoric Europe. If you want to argue that Childe was wrong about something you have to do quite a bit of work to show it. Fuller’s arguments on the other hand, when he presents them in clear language seem to be plainly erroneous, irrelevant or both. And these are not difficult things to show. If it’s not depth of thought, intelligibilty or interestingness that’s the reason for success in sociology then what is?
Speaking as a non-sociologist*, it would appear there’s no quality control in sociological peer-review. That doesn’t mean that all sociology is rubbish. On the contrary there’s some interesting material. Rather it means that if you want to know what the good material is, the last person you should ask is a sociologist. It would also suggest that if everything does go wrong I can move to Warwick and become a sage of science without having to do difficult stuff. Instead I can argue that someone’s work that haven’t really read is less scientific that someone else’s work that I haven’t read.
…and finally. The introduction says:
Steve Fuller argues that intelligent design shows how the Bible has been a powerful spur to science…
Well, I suppose he does, but he doesn’t provide any evidence that intelligent design is the least bit scientific. He does seem a little intent on trashing his own reputation.
* Update: Jonathan Badger and Bob O’H correct me on the eclipse of Darwinism in comments 3 and 5. Buridan understandably skewers the paragraph “Speaking as a non-sociologist…” in comment 7. I could pretend that the first half of that paragraph was satirical, but the reality is that it was typing without engaging the brain. As the saying goes: “When arguing with a stupid person, make sure they’re not doing the same.”
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Lord Percy / Prof Fuller: Spot the Difference
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Lord Percy / Prof Fuller: Spot the Difference
Fuller and the famous Stone of Galveston
I think Steve Fuller has had more than enough attention paid to him lately, don’t you? There’s a new linebacker piling on, though, and I thought this article was such a nice, lucid skewering that I had to bring…
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Jonathan Badger
“I’m not aware of any evidence that Darwin’s theory of Descent with Natural Selection was on its way out before the Modern Synthesis with Mendel’s Genetics. Can anyone suggest some helpful reading to plug that gap?”
Yes. Read Bowler’s “Evolution: The History of an Idea”. It’s pretty common for historians of science to speak of the “Eclipse of Darwinism” from 1900 to about 1930. It’s hard for us to understand today, but early geneticists like Bateson and Morgan really thought that Mendelian genetics invalidated natural selection. Of course these scientists weren’t creationists, and still respected Darwin as a popularizer of the idea of evolution, but felt that selection had only a minor role.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Baldrick
Just wait. I’ll bet all of these IDiots have a cunning plan that they’re just waiting to spring on us.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Bob O’H
“I’m not aware of any evidence that Darwin’s theory of Descent with Natural Selection was on its way out before the Modern Synthesis with Mendel’s Genetics. Can anyone suggest some helpful reading to plug that gap?”
Bowler’s history of evolutionary theory, “Evolution: The History of an Idea” discusses this in a chapter called “The eclipse of Darwinism” (Ch. 9 in my 1989 edition, seems to be Ch. 7 in a newer version).
Bob
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: An Enquiring Mind
I loves bible math! Here’s my favorite bit o’ bible math: Accordin’ to the “Intelligent Designer’s” infallible good book pi = 3. Can you imagine what the Universe would look like if’un the “Intelligent Designer” had used pi = 3 in cobblin’ together “His” creation? I used to know the passage by heart, but it’s been a while since I used it to confound my fundy acquaintances. It’s somewhere in the OT.
Speakin’ of Sir Isaac, didn’t he spend more time and write a bigger tome than the Principia tryin’ to prove the Pope was the Anti-christ?
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Buridan
“Speaking as a non-sociologist, it would appear there’s no quality control in sociological peer-review.”
I would never defend Fuller’s silliness regarding intelligent design. However, your above quote (among a few others) is a little on the outrageous side and actually does what you and others are accusing Fuller of doing.
As a “non-sociologist,” how many peer-reviewed articles have you read in sociological journals? Or better yet, can you name a single sociological journal off the top of your head? What’s your evidence for the claim that sociological peer review appears to have no quality control? As your post suggests, you have a sample of 1 (Steven Fuller) on which you draw your sweeping conclusions about an entire discipline. Are you trying to make a serious argument here or just spouting off from the hip?
Most people who take the scientific method seriously would find it enough to simply comment on Fuller’s folly and not make the methodologically embarrassing move of arguing from an n of 1. Your maligning of a whole discipline on the work of a single scholar betrays your own apparent scientific sensibilities.
There’s plenty of evidence on which to criticize the sociological imagination in its present form. As a sociologist, I’ve done my fair share of criticizing sociological fluff but I do my homework first and never implicate an entire discipline for the foolishness of a few – in your case the foolishness of one.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: alun
My thanks to Jonathan and Bob for pointing out a hole in my reading which I’ll have to plug in the New Year.
I also think that Buridan is being generous to me when he says, “your above quote (among a few others) is a little on the outrageous side”. I could point out that I’ve tried to tackle Latour’s work here too, but that still not enough to lift the comment from foolishness. To make matters worse I printed out “Women’s Rights and Women’s Rites: Religion at the Historical Root of Gender Stratification” by Margaret Gonsoulin yesterday from EJS. One of the differences is that Gonsoulin’s work was peer-reviewed and Fuller’s opinion in THES probably wasn’t. I think that moves me from “a little on the outragous side” and towards “bloody stupid”.
I’m fortunate that people are willing to comment when I’m being Percyish myself.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Buridan
You’ve done yourself well alun. I honestly don’t think your comments were “bloody stupid.” In any event, it’s rare to see the type of response you’ve just given and you’ve caught me off guard — a bitter lesson in my own cynicism. Thank you for demonstrating reasonableness. I too often forget that myself and will take your example as a reminder.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Lee J Rickard
I think that Michael Ruse does a pretty good job of describing the complex history of evolutionary theory between Darwin and the neo-Darwinian synthesis. You might want to read that too.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Tim Makinson
It’s interesting that Newton is increasingly being presented as an icon of theistic science these days. I was already aware of his connection to alchemy and astrology (giving him a more satanic than saintly appearance to orthodox theology). Can anybody point to sources that illuminate exactly what influence Christianity had on his science?
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: djmullen
Newton was definitely a believer, but he had some reservations about the Bible. One pamphlet he wrote, but was afraid to publish, was entitled, “A Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture.” Details at http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/newton1.html
Newton left a trunk full of mystical and alchemical publications that was eventually purchased by the great economist, John Maynard Keynes. Details at http://pr.caltech.edu/periodicals/CaltechNews/articles/v39/newtonian.html
If I remember rightly, he had to take a false oath to be a university professor because he didn’t completely agree with the dogma of the Anglican church.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Keith Douglas
Newton was a theist, to be sure, and would probably have regarded himself as orthodox, when in fact he was quite clearly heretical, being an arian.
Fuller, as usual for most sociologists of science, unfortunately, does not seem to want to draw the distinction between the motivations of scientists and the content of scientific research and findings.
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Pierce R. Butler
Newton was born into a family of Puritans and remained one all his life — a difficult sociopolitical position in England after the death of Cromwell and widespread, well-justified resentment at everything the Puritan “roundheads” had done after winning the English Civil War. His biblical-“mathematical” works, many of which were not burnt, were hardly equivalent to, say, his invention of the calculus; for example, he predicted (in private papers) that Jews would reclaim Jerusalem in 1899 and Christ would return in 1948. An excellent source on his alchemical life is Michael White’s _Isaac Newton: The Last Sorceror_.
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