More Bosnian Trigonometry

You can read an over­iew of some of the other flaws in the Bos­nian Pyr­amid saga at Revise and Dis­sent in the post­ing Bos­nian Pyr­am­ids: Absence of Evid­ence is not Evid­ence of Atlantis

Thanks, if that’s the right word, go to Doug Weller for passing along a bet­ter map of the equi­lat­eral tri­angle con­nect­ing the peaks of the Bos­nian pyr­am­ids. It turns out that Bosnianpyramids.com is not an offi­cial site, so my meas­ure­ments based on that don’t neces­sar­ily dis­prove the claim that the peaks of the pyr­am­ids mark the ver­tices of a tri­angle with “not one minute dif­fer­ence”. So I’ve looked at this map.

triangle

What I’m inter­ested in is whether or not there are three equal angles. The easi­est way for me to check is to meas­ure the lengths of the sides and cal­cu­late from there. What I’ve done is put the map into Google Earth, placed it over the ocean, to ensure I’m meas­ur­ing it flat and meas­ured the three sides. The lengths of the sides will not be accur­ate, but their rel­at­ive lengths will because their lengths will all be out by the same factor.

sun-moon-flatmoon-dragonDragon-Sun

Meas­ur­ing the three sides I get:
Sun — Moon : 2563
Moon — Dragon : 2638
Dragon — Sun : 2598
If you click on the pho­tos you’ll see those meas­ure­ments are metres, but in real­ity that’s mis­lead­ing because the over­lay is almost cer­tainly not scaled cor­rectly. It’s just the rel­at­ive lengths that mat­ter because the ver­tical and hori­zontal scal­ing will be out by the same factor.

You can work out the angles in degrees for the tri­angle through the Cosine Rule which will work because it’s inde­pend­ent of units. Altern­at­ively you could use the Tri­angle Cal­cu­lator which does the same thing with much less effort. Using this I get angles (con­ver­ted from decimal degrees to degrees and minutes):

Sun: 61º 29′
Moon: 59º 55′
Dragon: 58º 37′

Is that an equi­lat­eral tri­angle?

If you want to stick with Osmanagić’s claim that there is not a minute dif­fer­ence then the claim doesn’t hold up. How­ever it is quite close. It’s hard to say exactly whether this is evid­ence on an equi­lat­eral tri­angle or not. My meas­ure­ments won’t have been pre­cisely over the same points on the map and the map won’t be an exact rep­res­ent­a­tion of the meas­ure­ments, so per­haps this could work if the points of the tri­angle on the map roughly match the peaks of the pyr­am­ids. Do the ver­tices match the peaks of the pyramids?

What I’ve set up is a file with the tri­angle map over­lay, points mark­ing the Offi­cial meas­ure­ments and sug­ges­tions of my own show­ing where I think the peaks of the hills are more likely to be. You’ll need Google Earth, but with that you should be able to fol­low my own points and decide for your­self if they’re any good or not (lost in the move to this site). I’ve put the place­marks 100m over the ground, with lines con­nect­ing them to the ground so you can see if they’re over the map cor­rectly or not.

I’ve star­ted by look­ing at the top of the Pyr­amid of the Dragon, because that’s a dif­fi­cult one. It’s quite a flat topped hill. I decided on my place for the peak based on the angle of the corners of the two best defined edges, which mark the east side of the hill.

Pyramid of the Dragon Peak

If this is a pyr­amid then the point where the corners meet should mark the centre of the pyr­amid. In this instance they cross at a point about 30 metres east of the offi­cial peak. You can also see that I’ve ignored the north-west corner. This is because it doesn’t meet where the other two lines do. That sug­gests the hill isn’t a pyr­amid to me, but you may dis­agree and feel the Bos­nian Geo­detic Insti­tute put the ver­tex over the right point. There is a big­ger dis­agree­ment over where the peak of the Pyr­amid of the Sun is.

Pyramid of the Sun, ver 1

I’ve drawn lines on the north­west­ern and north­east­ern corners and they’ve cross closer to the peak of the hill than the pos­i­tion given by the Bos­nian Geo­detic Insti­tute. If this hill is a pyr­amid then the peak accord­ing to this map is some­where near the top of the north face. You might want to argue this point if you check this in Google Earth, because if you look at it, Google does seem to show that the offi­cial ver­tex is higher than my peak. This is a sub­stan­s­tial dis­agree­ment, the two points are fifty metres apart.

Pyramid of the Sun, ver 2

So what’s going on? The ver­tical res­ol­u­tion of Google Earth isn’t very good. For instance in the same file you can find a point I’ve labelled ‘the place where the river runs uphill’.

river runs uphill

I don’t know which way down­stream is, but either way — if Google Earth is accur­ate — the river has to flow uphill. In real­ity what has happened is the Google Earth has a series of sampled points of heights and these get aver­aged over the land­scape. Occa­sion­ally it leads to strange effects. If you look at the Google Earth rendi­tions of the Giza Pyr­am­ids, you’ll see that the peaks of the pyr­am­ids aren’t the highest points, accord­ing to Google. So the fact that the offi­cial ver­tex looks higher doesn’t bother me. Cer­tainly the offi­cial ver­tex over the Pyr­amid of the Moon makes no sense.

Pyramid of the Moon

My peak is marked by the inter­sec­tion of the red lines, and this does hit on the meas­ured peak of the hill. The peak advoc­ated by Osman­agić is seventy-five metres away, off the top of the hill. I don’t know what that ver­tex marks, but it’s not top of the Pyr­amid of the Moon. Do these dif­fer­ence make a big change to the marked triangle?

Using the altern­at­ive peaks I get dis­tances of:
Sun — Moon : 2078
Moon — Dragon : 2204
Dragon — Sun : 2168
which gives angles of
Sun: 62º 30′
Moon: 60º 45′
Dragon: 56º 45′

If you’re won­der­ing what a degree looks like, then hold your little fin­ger out at arm’s length. The fin­ger­nail is about half a degree. The Sun and Moon are also about half a degree across. So is an error of 2 degrees, or four fin­ger­nails import­ant? Yes, if you want to argue for exact accur­acy. How­ever I think the ques­tion is back to front.

Why would you look for such a tri­angle of the peaks any­way? There are no sites I can think of that have this kind of plan­ning. You don’t find it in Egypt or Mex­ico, so why is it so import­ant for Bos­nian claims. It seems to be post-hoc reas­on­ing. For instance I used to own a car with regis­tra­tion OTX 969 L. What are the chances of that hap­pen­ing? Well over a mil­lion to one. But that doesn’t make it auto­mat­ic­ally mean­ing­ful. If you high­light hits and ignore any­thing that con­tra­dicts you then you’re bound to find amaz­ing features.

Sim­il­arly one com­bin­a­tion of three peaks out of five claimed pyr­am­ids is close to an equi­lat­eral tri­angle. That leaves ten com­bin­a­tions which aren’t geo­met­ric­ally excit­ing — because we’re ignor­ing five other com­bin­a­tions which aren’t tri­angles, four com­bin­a­tions which aren’t squares and one com­bin­a­tion which fails to be a pentagon. This is jus­ti­fied because if the Pyr­am­ids of Sun, Moon and Earth had formed an equi­lat­eral tri­angle instead wouldn’t that have been equally amaz­ing? Or if the Pyr­am­ids of the Moon, Earth and Love (that’s a new one he’s found) had formed an equi­lat­eral tri­angle then that would have been amaz­ing too. Why pick just one com­bin­a­tion you like? There is no a pri­ori reason to assume that any pyr­amid must only fea­ture Osmanagić’s three chosen pyr­am­ids. With only one very approx­im­ate hit and ten fail­ures you have to ask if Osman­agić already knew the answer before he asked the question.

It helps to approach research with an open mind.

One Comment

  1. Bosnian Pyramids

    I’ve read an inter­est­ing art­icle on http://www.bosnian-pyramid.net
    about the corners of the pyr­amid. It would be an easy way to proof
    quickly the exist­ence, but they dig near the corners but not the
    corners. Then they’ve dug some­thing on the top of it, but not the
    top!? I’ve seen some pic­tures on that really let me think again about
    this whole thing. Every day I believe less in this mystery.

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