Neanderthal Ethics

Here’s an oddity I star­ted think­ing about fol­low­ing a tweet by Dr Kiki who poin­ted to this art­icle Return of the Neander­thals: If we can resur­rect them through fossil DNA, should we?. The strange thing was my reac­tion to this. The answer seems obvi­ous. I thought I’d missed the boat on this when The Philo­soph­ers’ Magazine blog covered it. Again the author, Jean Kazez, missed the obvi­ous objec­tion, so I left it in a com­ment, and it was eas­ily dis­missed — or rather ignored. See­ing as two people see no prob­lem with what I see as an insur­mount­able prob­lem I have to be open to the idea I’m being dog­matic.

So here’s the ques­tion: if we could use the DNA of the recently dis­covered Neander­thal gen­ome (Jo Badge has given me good reas­ons why we couldn’t) would it be eth­ical to resur­rect the spe­cies? Exactly how is a prob­lem, but see­ing as we’re invent­ing sci­ence for the sake of a thought exper­i­ment let’s pre­tend a chim­pan­zee could carry the Neander­thal foetus to term, so there’s no Hom.Sap mater­ial involved.

Now the dis­cus­sion seems to be focussed on what eco­lo­gical niche it could fit into. As Jean Kazez asks should it be in a zoo or Har­vard? At this point my men­tal pro­cesses derail, because there doesn’t seem to be much grasp of what you’re cre­at­ing or why.

First of all you’re cre­at­ing a human. The spe­cies name for Neander­thals is Homo neander­thalen­sis (or even Homo sapi­ens neander­thalen­sis). That homo pre­fix marks them as human. Jean Kazez in a reply com­ment doesn’t seem to accept refer­ring to Neander­thals as human as they split from mod­ern humans, well the fig­ure Kazez uses is 300 kyr. It could be as early as 600 kyr with Neander­thals evolving from Homo heidel­ber­gen­sis. There is room to argue how human they were com­pared to Homo sapiens.

There’s cer­tainly evid­ence of com­plex hunt­ing pat­terns. Neander­thals worked as a team. They prac­ticed butchery. Rather than drag a whole car­cass home, they chopped it up and took back the best bits. Using fire might seem archetypal stone age tech­no­logy, but when you think about what means in terms of plan­ning, car­ry­ing and con­serving fire that’s clearly a com­plex men­tal task. You could argue that they show little evid­ence of sym­bolic thought with a lack of art, but there does seem to be some evid­ence of art. No as much as Homo sapi­ens would pro­duce in the Upper Palaeo­lithic, but if you look at what Homo sapi­ens was doing as art in Europe at the same time as the Neander­thals, their record is pretty lousy too. Africa seems to be the place for early art. I’m not claim­ing that Neander­thals were all poten­tial Ein­steins, but they’re clearly closer to mod­ern humans than chimps in terms of cog­nit­ive power. How close? Well that’s the why question.

Did Neander­thals have lan­guage? The genetic data shows they had a FoxP2 gene which is a gene con­nec­ted to the devel­op­ment of lan­guage in mod­ern humans. Steve Mithen recently made an inter­est­ing case for Neander­thals hav­ing lan­guage. There’s the mat­ter of how com­plex their social beha­viour could be. How many orders of inten­tion­al­ity could they cope with? That’s think­ing along the lines where I think that you know that I believe the FBI are watch­ing me (3 orders, we struggle at 5 or 6). There’s a lot that exper­i­ment­a­tion on a Neander­thal could tell us about human­ity, and that’s where my objec­tion lies. The pre­cise bio­lo­gical sub­strate doesn’t mat­ter, the fea­ture we’re inter­ested in is their human­ity. It’s their human­ity we value, So I see the ques­tion as:

Is it eth­ical to cre­ate a human child with genetic nov­el­ties for the pur­pose of experimentation?

Put like that, there’s no way you’d get it past an eth­ics com­mit­tee. Iron­ic­ally the cre­ation of a breath­ing being from human mater­ial, even if (or espe­cially if?) it’s fully human mater­ial it way bey­ond the cre­ation of human-animal hybrid embryos. We’re talk­ing about the cre­ation of a being which we expect to be self-aware and demon­strably intel­li­gent. John Hawks has poin­ted to an inter­est­ing post by by John Tier­ney, who also sees this as a no-brainer, but in the oppos­ite dir­ec­tion. He makes a couple of ser­i­ous points, one good and one moronic.

If we dis­covered a small band of Neander­thals hid­den some­where, we’d do everything to keep them alive, just as we try to keep alive so many other endangered pop­u­la­tions of humans and anim­als — includ­ing man-biting mos­qui­toes and man-eating polar bears.

This is inter­est­ing, because at first blush we would. On the other hand I don’t know a single anthro­po­lo­gist that would recom­mend pick­ing up an uncon­tac­ted tribe from the Amazon and drop­ping them in a secure hold­ing facil­ity for study. If we did find a small band of Neander­thals some­where I think we’d be look­ing a secure nature reserve, not a lab. Fur­ther, the Neander­thals would — after an amaz­ingly bit­ter and acri­mo­ni­ous argu­ment — be con­tac­ted by an anthro­po­lo­gist on their very best behaviour.

The other line is cringeworthy.

If our spe­cies dis­ap­peared and a smarter spe­cies took over the planet, I’d take the offer to be resur­rec­ted just on the the­ory that being alive beats being dead.

Human clones already exist. They’re called twins. Your clone if it was cre­ated in the future would not be not be you, it would be an arti­fi­cial twin. So would you want a twin sis­ter cre­ated, so she could live out her life as a lab specimen?

I don’t know if the eth­ics of resur­rect­ing Neander­thals is the mod­ern equi­val­ent of count­ing angels dan­cing on the head of a pin or not. I’m really not con­vinced that a Neander­thal could be cre­ated using a chimp egg with cur­rent tech­no­logy for $30 mil­lion as George Church at Har­vard claims, but appears to a rap­idly expand­ing field. Even if one could be cre­ated you wouldn’t learn much about Neander­thals, because all the Neander­thal cul­ture, her­it­age and extel­li­gence has been lost. In some ways it would be like adopt­ing an Arab baby bring­ing it to the Vat­ican, hav­ing Nuns raise it and then expect­ing to learn about Islam. What the eth­ical ques­tion does do I think is tell us some­thing about how we think about human­ity. From what I can tell Kazez and Tier­ney have a nar­row and paro­chial view of what it means to be human. Altern­at­ively it could be that I have a rigid and inflex­ible view of eth­ics which doesn’t account for grey areas. If you think so, feel free to tell me where I’m wrong in the com­ment box below.

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  1. Jean Kazez

    Alun, This is all won­der­fully inter­est­ing stuff. I hadn’t read the Saletan essay (Saletan’s always good). I was think­ing about this issue from a very lim­ited perspective–the key ques­tion being whether there a dif­fer­ence between start­ing with a chimp cell and start­ing with a human cell? The idea that there is a dif­fer­ence gets into issues about humans vs. anim­als that I’m inter­ested in. (I’m just fin­ish­ing a book on these things, so I’m very focused on them).

    You take it for gran­ted that human­ity is very important–so if Neander­thals are human, then we need to think about the eth­ics of cre­at­ing them very ser­i­ously. Con­versely, I take it, if they’re not human, there are no big issues? Philo­soph­ic­ally, it’s this idea of human­ity as being pivotal that I find inter­est­ing. Is it really pivotal?

    But Neander­thals are inter­est­ing apart from that. I have no real opin­ion about whether they were human. I just took for gran­ted what the NYT said. As to the whole issue, eth­ical and fac­tual, I’ll have to think about it more, espe­cially because it scares me to think I’ve some­how fallen in with John Tier­ney, who I con­sider an idiot 90% of the time.

    I’m glad I dis­covered your blog. In another life I want to study this kind of stuff.

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  2. gaston umlaut

    I think there’s a con­fu­sion here due to the poly­semy of ‘human’. It has one sense (let’s call it sense 1) as a tech­nical word (lim­ited to anthro­po­logy, archae­ology, and allied dis­cip­lines) where it refers to mem­bers of the genus homo. In its more wide­spread sense (sense 2) it refers to creatures just like us, ie homo sapi­ens. Say­ing some­thing is ‘human’ in sense 1 is very dif­fer­ent from say­ing it’s ‘human’ in sense 2. You seem to be con­flat­ing the ideas, say­ing that because Neander­thals are in genus ‘homo’, and are ‘human’ in sense 1, there­fore they’re ‘human’ in sense 2 as well. It’s easy to ima­gine that there could be mem­bers of genus ‘homo’ that have no sen­tience or ‘human­ity’ and in fact I think this is a cru­cial issue.

    A sim­ilar thing has happened with dis­cus­sion about Homo Floresi­en­sis. ‘Human’ in sense 1, but not neces­sar­ily ‘human’ sense 2.

    If we sus­pect that Neander­thals had enough sen­tience (for want of a bet­ter word) that we would think of them as being human (sense 2) like ourselves, then I sus­pect a lot of people would feel it was wrong to re-create them for our own exper­i­ment­a­tion. If how­ever it could be shown that their level of sen­tience is akin to that of the great apes then maybe it would be okay (or at least more okay), but there would still have to be a debate about the eth­ics and we might decide it would be wrong. But then if a spe­cies of gor­illa became extinct and we could recre­ate them from DNA (and per­haps install a viable num­ber in a nice park in Africa some­where), would we hesitate?

    Re the idea of an uncon­tac­ted tribe of neander­thals and your sug­ges­tion that con­tact by an anthro­po­lo­gist would be unavoid­able, remem­ber that the Sen­tine­lese are still uncon­tac­ted (though who knows how long it’ll stay that way).

    Thanks for an inter­est­ing posting.

    In reply to Jean Kazez: ‘Philo­soph­ic­ally, it’s this idea of human­ity as being pivotal that I find inter­est­ing. Is it really pivotal?’

    Yes, human­ity is pivotal, to humans, but not neces­sar­ily to anyone/anything else. Surely that’s reasonable?

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  3. gaston umlaut

    BTW, FoxP2 is not really rel­ev­ant, see Lan­guageLog here and here. This gene is con­tinu­ally mis­rep­res­en­ted in the media.

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  4. Joe

    Through­put his­tory our record of deal­ing with the ori­ginal inhab­it­ants of ‘dis­covered’ lands has not been par­tic­u­larly cred­it­able. Con­sid­er­ing the dis­grace­ful way we treat our second cous­ins the apes, I rather hope that repro­duc­tion of our first cous­ins will never be possible.

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  5. samarkeolog

    I didn’t real­ise Neander­thals’ human­ity (in both senses of the word), their sen­tience and intel­li­gence were in doubt. Apart from everything else Alan says, Neander­thals bur­ied their dead. Okay, Ian Tat­tersall did com­ment that, ‘I don’t think you could ever really know if Neander­thals were reli­gious, but my guess would be no.… To have some­thing abstract in your head, you need to be cap­able of play­ing with sym­bols. Neander­thals did busi­ness very dif­fer­ently from Homo sapi­ens.’ But even if they were not reli­gious, that wouldn’t affect their human­ity. (As an athe­ist, I cer­tainly hope not, any­way!) And I find it dif­fi­cult to ima­gine that they could pro­duce art and per­form buri­als without any capa­city for abstract thought (reli­gious or oth­er­wise). (Per­haps his com­ment was made before evid­ence of Neander­thal arts emerged?)

    I don’t know, but I don’t think Alan is say­ing that eth­ics of treat­ment of and exper­i­ment­a­tion with non-human anim­als is simple or easy (that there would be ‘no big issues’). I thought Alan was say­ing that, since Neander­thals were humans, human sub­ject eth­ics were the rel­ev­ant ones, rather than fruit­fly sub­ject eth­ics. (As for the Great Apes, I must admit I sym­path­ise with the Great Ape Pro­ject.)

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  6. Tileman

    One use­ful take on the eth­ics of bring­ing back Neander­thals is in Jasper ffordes ‘Tursday Next’ series
    http://www.jasperfforde.com/

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  7. samarkeolog

    Is there a win­cing emoticon on word­press? Alun, Al-un, A-l-u-n…

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