Neanderthal Ethics
Here’s an oddity I started thinking about following a tweet by Dr Kiki who pointed to this article Return of the Neanderthals: If we can resurrect them through fossil DNA, should we?. The strange thing was my reaction to this. The answer seems obvious. I thought I’d missed the boat on this when The Philosophers’ Magazine blog covered it. Again the author, Jean Kazez, missed the obvious objection, so I left it in a comment, and it was easily dismissed — or rather ignored. Seeing as two people see no problem with what I see as an insurmountable problem I have to be open to the idea I’m being dogmatic.
So here’s the question: if we could use the DNA of the recently discovered Neanderthal genome (Jo Badge has given me good reasons why we couldn’t) would it be ethical to resurrect the species? Exactly how is a problem, but seeing as we’re inventing science for the sake of a thought experiment let’s pretend a chimpanzee could carry the Neanderthal foetus to term, so there’s no Hom.Sap material involved.
Now the discussion seems to be focussed on what ecological niche it could fit into. As Jean Kazez asks should it be in a zoo or Harvard? At this point my mental processes derail, because there doesn’t seem to be much grasp of what you’re creating or why.
First of all you’re creating a human. The species name for Neanderthals is Homo neanderthalensis (or even Homo sapiens neanderthalensis). That homo prefix marks them as human. Jean Kazez in a reply comment doesn’t seem to accept referring to Neanderthals as human as they split from modern humans, well the figure Kazez uses is 300 kyr. It could be as early as 600 kyr with Neanderthals evolving from Homo heidelbergensis. There is room to argue how human they were compared to Homo sapiens.
There’s certainly evidence of complex hunting patterns. Neanderthals worked as a team. They practiced butchery. Rather than drag a whole carcass home, they chopped it up and took back the best bits. Using fire might seem archetypal stone age technology, but when you think about what means in terms of planning, carrying and conserving fire that’s clearly a complex mental task. You could argue that they show little evidence of symbolic thought with a lack of art, but there does seem to be some evidence of art. No as much as Homo sapiens would produce in the Upper Palaeolithic, but if you look at what Homo sapiens was doing as art in Europe at the same time as the Neanderthals, their record is pretty lousy too. Africa seems to be the place for early art. I’m not claiming that Neanderthals were all potential Einsteins, but they’re clearly closer to modern humans than chimps in terms of cognitive power. How close? Well that’s the why question.
Did Neanderthals have language? The genetic data shows they had a FoxP2 gene which is a gene connected to the development of language in modern humans. Steve Mithen recently made an interesting case for Neanderthals having language. There’s the matter of how complex their social behaviour could be. How many orders of intentionality could they cope with? That’s thinking along the lines where I think that you know that I believe the FBI are watching me (3 orders, we struggle at 5 or 6). There’s a lot that experimentation on a Neanderthal could tell us about humanity, and that’s where my objection lies. The precise biological substrate doesn’t matter, the feature we’re interested in is their humanity. It’s their humanity we value, So I see the question as:
Put like that, there’s no way you’d get it past an ethics committee. Ironically the creation of a breathing being from human material, even if (or especially if?) it’s fully human material it way beyond the creation of human-animal hybrid embryos. We’re talking about the creation of a being which we expect to be self-aware and demonstrably intelligent. John Hawks has pointed to an interesting post by by John Tierney, who also sees this as a no-brainer, but in the opposite direction. He makes a couple of serious points, one good and one moronic.
If we discovered a small band of Neanderthals hidden somewhere, we’d do everything to keep them alive, just as we try to keep alive so many other endangered populations of humans and animals — including man-biting mosquitoes and man-eating polar bears.
This is interesting, because at first blush we would. On the other hand I don’t know a single anthropologist that would recommend picking up an uncontacted tribe from the Amazon and dropping them in a secure holding facility for study. If we did find a small band of Neanderthals somewhere I think we’d be looking a secure nature reserve, not a lab. Further, the Neanderthals would — after an amazingly bitter and acrimonious argument — be contacted by an anthropologist on their very best behaviour.
The other line is cringeworthy.
If our species disappeared and a smarter species took over the planet, I’d take the offer to be resurrected just on the theory that being alive beats being dead.
Human clones already exist. They’re called twins. Your clone if it was created in the future would not be not be you, it would be an artificial twin. So would you want a twin sister created, so she could live out her life as a lab specimen?
I don’t know if the ethics of resurrecting Neanderthals is the modern equivalent of counting angels dancing on the head of a pin or not. I’m really not convinced that a Neanderthal could be created using a chimp egg with current technology for $30 million as George Church at Harvard claims, but appears to a rapidly expanding field. Even if one could be created you wouldn’t learn much about Neanderthals, because all the Neanderthal culture, heritage and extelligence has been lost. In some ways it would be like adopting an Arab baby bringing it to the Vatican, having Nuns raise it and then expecting to learn about Islam. What the ethical question does do I think is tell us something about how we think about humanity. From what I can tell Kazez and Tierney have a narrow and parochial view of what it means to be human. Alternatively it could be that I have a rigid and inflexible view of ethics which doesn’t account for grey areas. If you think so, feel free to tell me where I’m wrong in the comment box below.
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Alun, This is all wonderfully interesting stuff. I hadn’t read the Saletan essay (Saletan’s always good). I was thinking about this issue from a very limited perspective–the key question being whether there a difference between starting with a chimp cell and starting with a human cell? The idea that there is a difference gets into issues about humans vs. animals that I’m interested in. (I’m just finishing a book on these things, so I’m very focused on them).
You take it for granted that humanity is very important–so if Neanderthals are human, then we need to think about the ethics of creating them very seriously. Conversely, I take it, if they’re not human, there are no big issues? Philosophically, it’s this idea of humanity as being pivotal that I find interesting. Is it really pivotal?
But Neanderthals are interesting apart from that. I have no real opinion about whether they were human. I just took for granted what the NYT said. As to the whole issue, ethical and factual, I’ll have to think about it more, especially because it scares me to think I’ve somehow fallen in with John Tierney, who I consider an idiot 90% of the time.
I’m glad I discovered your blog. In another life I want to study this kind of stuff.
I think there’s a confusion here due to the polysemy of ‘human’. It has one sense (let’s call it sense 1) as a technical word (limited to anthropology, archaeology, and allied disciplines) where it refers to members of the genus homo. In its more widespread sense (sense 2) it refers to creatures just like us, ie homo sapiens. Saying something is ‘human’ in sense 1 is very different from saying it’s ‘human’ in sense 2. You seem to be conflating the ideas, saying that because Neanderthals are in genus ‘homo’, and are ‘human’ in sense 1, therefore they’re ‘human’ in sense 2 as well. It’s easy to imagine that there could be members of genus ‘homo’ that have no sentience or ‘humanity’ and in fact I think this is a crucial issue.
A similar thing has happened with discussion about Homo Floresiensis. ‘Human’ in sense 1, but not necessarily ‘human’ sense 2.
If we suspect that Neanderthals had enough sentience (for want of a better word) that we would think of them as being human (sense 2) like ourselves, then I suspect a lot of people would feel it was wrong to re-create them for our own experimentation. If however it could be shown that their level of sentience is akin to that of the great apes then maybe it would be okay (or at least more okay), but there would still have to be a debate about the ethics and we might decide it would be wrong. But then if a species of gorilla became extinct and we could recreate them from DNA (and perhaps install a viable number in a nice park in Africa somewhere), would we hesitate?
Re the idea of an uncontacted tribe of neanderthals and your suggestion that contact by an anthropologist would be unavoidable, remember that the Sentinelese are still uncontacted (though who knows how long it’ll stay that way).
Thanks for an interesting posting.
In reply to Jean Kazez: ‘Philosophically, it’s this idea of humanity as being pivotal that I find interesting. Is it really pivotal?’
Yes, humanity is pivotal, to humans, but not necessarily to anyone/anything else. Surely that’s reasonable?
BTW, FoxP2 is not really relevant, see LanguageLog here and here. This gene is continually misrepresented in the media.
Throughput history our record of dealing with the original inhabitants of ‘discovered’ lands has not been particularly creditable. Considering the disgraceful way we treat our second cousins the apes, I rather hope that reproduction of our first cousins will never be possible.
I didn’t realise Neanderthals’ humanity (in both senses of the word), their sentience and intelligence were in doubt. Apart from everything else Alan says, Neanderthals buried their dead. Okay, Ian Tattersall did comment that, ‘I don’t think you could ever really know if Neanderthals were religious, but my guess would be no.… To have something abstract in your head, you need to be capable of playing with symbols. Neanderthals did business very differently from Homo sapiens.’ But even if they were not religious, that wouldn’t affect their humanity. (As an atheist, I certainly hope not, anyway!) And I find it difficult to imagine that they could produce art and perform burials without any capacity for abstract thought (religious or otherwise). (Perhaps his comment was made before evidence of Neanderthal arts emerged?)
I don’t know, but I don’t think Alan is saying that ethics of treatment of and experimentation with non-human animals is simple or easy (that there would be ‘no big issues’). I thought Alan was saying that, since Neanderthals were humans, human subject ethics were the relevant ones, rather than fruitfly subject ethics. (As for the Great Apes, I must admit I sympathise with the Great Ape Project.)
One useful take on the ethics of bringing back Neanderthals is in Jasper ffordes ‘Tursday Next’ series
http://www.jasperfforde.com/
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