What do the Creationists want with you?

Fundamentalist
’Chris­ti­ans’ show­ing the love. Photo (cc) Jordan Thevenow-Harrison

Ed Dar­rell has set a tough prob­lem. How do you solve the Texan edu­ca­tion crisis? If you haven’t been fol­low­ing this, the Texas Edu­ca­tion Author­ity has forced an employee to resign because she sent round details of a talk debunk­ing Intel­li­gent Design. The TEA has stated it’s neut­ral on whether or not chil­dren should have good edu­ca­tion. It’s the latest round of what, in the­ory, is the argu­ment between Sci­ence and Intel­li­gent Design. It isn’t really. Every­one knows that Intel­li­gent Design is second-rate Cre­ation­ism. How­ever I don’t think the argu­ment is between Sci­ence and Cre­ation­ism either. If it was then the debate would be as dead as phlogiston.

Even the pre­tence of a debate plays into the Cre­ation­ists’ hands. This allows them to frame the argu­ment as Sci­ence against Chris­tian­ity. Yet if you look at the argu­ments it’s clear that this isn’t about Sci­ence. It’s about power. It won’t be power over sci­ent­ists — they’re con­strained by real­ity. It’s power over Chris­ti­ans that’s the issue. Answers in Gen­esis is quite open about this. Cre­ation mat­ters because it’s about evangelism.

That has to be a prob­lem, because it’s not evan­gel­ism to gen­eric Chris­tian­ity. There are no gen­eric Chris­ti­ans. There are Ortho­dox Chris­ti­ans, Cath­ol­ics and vari­ous minor sects. In the case of AiG it’s evan­gel­ism for a very spe­cific fun­da­ment­al­ist form of Chris­tian­ity. They state:

The 66 books of the Bible are the writ­ten Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerr­ant through­out. Its asser­tions are fac­tu­ally true in all the ori­ginal auto­graphs. It is the supreme author­ity in everything it teaches.

Yes, accord­ing AiG, the Sun doesn’t cause day­light and could come out at night if God thought it would be use­ful. There’s a lot said about the inerr­ancy of the Bible. Sadly there’s noth­ing about the fal­lib­il­ity of those who read it. Now you may be infal­lible and know the mind of God. Con­grat­u­la­tions if this is the case, but it makes you part of a minor­ity. A few minutes con­ver­sa­tion will reveal that most other people don’t have the clar­ity of under­stand­ing that you do.

Indeed, a lot of Chris­ti­ans accept they don’t have all the answers. Most of the com­mit­ted Chris­ti­ans I’ve met are as hon­est, decent and char­it­able as any­one else. Their reac­tion to the uni­verse is one of awe and humil­ity rather than cer­tainty. I think they make a mis­take nam­ing that awe ‘God’, but they seem to con­sider the mind of God unknow­able. When Cre­ation­ists take the label ‘Chris­ti­ans’ for them­selves they pre­sume to speak on behalf of these people. That reveals amaz­ing arrog­ance, but they have it in good sup­ply.

So how do you debate these people? I strongly sus­pect you can’t debate them with sci­entific or his­tor­ical facts. You can’t debate them using basic logic. They’ve been immunised.

The way I would choose to debate this is to tackle what the cre­ation­ists plan to do if they win. See the place Sherri Shep­herd makes for people who think dates in BC refer to the time before Christ? That is the same space she has for people who don’t share her spe­cific off­shoot of Chris­tian­ity. Will tran­sub­stan­ti­ation be taught as fact in Chem­istry? It has exactly the same amount of evid­ence as Cre­ation­ism, so if not why not? It’s not a frivol­ous ques­tion. What Cath­ol­ics call Christ’s blood, the sec­u­lar law of Ire­land calls alco­hol, and it could lead to drink-driving. It’s not just a gen­eric God that’s being put into classes, exactly whose God is it? What role will this God have in the local gov­ern­ment and in the law?

The Cre­ation­ists know exactly what role their God will have in Texas. They know how they plan to deal with any­one who doesn’t share their view of God. The real debate is about who will be allowed to ques­tion Author­ity in Texas. There’s noth­ing spe­cial about sci­ent­ists, it just hap­pens that they’re at the top of the list as their jobs are based on ques­tion­ing Author­ity. The best response for sci­ent­ists to cre­ation­ists is to make clear that sci­entific debate is impossible because cre­ation­ists have noth­ing to debate with.

Des­pite the claims of cre­ation­ists and the wishes of some athe­ists, Dar­win didn’t prove that God didn’t exist, but what he did do was show that God was not neces­sary to explain the vari­ety of life. That opens up a lot of ques­tions. Dar­win showed that everything could be ques­tioned, includ­ing the reas­ons for the exist­ence of everything liv­ing. He showed that the world was not static and there was no neces­sity to believe in a world where the places of rich and poor were divinely ordained. Des­pite the recent attempts of an actor front­ing a titanic ‘exposé’ of evol­u­tion to smear him, he opposed slavery. His work has polit­ical implic­a­tions. It requires a ques­tion­ing atti­tude, and that’s not accept­able to people who don’t want to be ques­tioned. That’s why they offer noth­ing to ques­tion and that’s why they want to encour­age chil­dren to know when to stop ask­ing awk­ward questions.

If you know what the Cre­ation­ists want with you, you’ll know why Dar­win matters.

Creationism comes to Flickr

After a request by Pappa Cam­bria, there’s now a Cre­ation­ism group on Flickr.

Duane Gish
Duane Gish card cre­ated by Pappa Cam­bria.

Mem­ber­ship is open to every­one, so you can add your own cards. Some­time before next Dar­win Day I plan to write up the rules for Cre­ation­ism: The Card Game (or Cre­ation­ismTCG if I get car­ried away). I’ve got a fairly well fleshed-out idea of how it would work, and it won’t be a Magic rip-off. There’s a nod to Net­run­ner though.

Briefly the game will be Cre­ation­ist versus Sci­ent­ist. The Scientist’s goal will be to gain 30 cred­ib­il­ity points, which ends the game. The Creationist’s aim will be to gain as many cred­ib­il­ity points as pos­sible before the Sci­ent­ist wins.

The full match will be two games, with the play­ers play­ing once as Sci­ent­ist and once as Cre­ation­ist with the win­ner being the player with the highest aggreg­ate cred­ib­il­ity. The Sci­ent­ist player will gain points by pub­lish­ing papers and books. The Cre­ation­ist player will gain cred­ib­il­ity by get­ting reli­gion into schools or inter­fer­ing with the Scientist’s cards.

Spotting Design

Experimental Archaeology
Exper­i­mental Archae­ology. Photo (cc) Wessex Archae­ology.

I wish I was as good an archae­olo­gist as Michael Egnor claims to be. Egnor has recently writ­ten on the Anti­kythera Mech­an­ism from a cre­ation­ist point of view. To be hon­est I dis­agree with some of it, the words mainly, but the spaces and punc­tu­ation on the other hand seem sound. Chris­topher O’Brien has given the words far more atten­tion than they deserve, so if you want a cri­tique of the pro­pos­i­tions ((It took me half an hour to choose that word. Facts as the blog entry makes clear wouldn’t have been the right choice)) then it’s a great read. What I find dif­fi­cult is the repeated claim by cre­ation­ists that you can simply see design.

It’s a com­mon claim. When fun­da­ment­al­ists Cameron and Com­fort are notexhort­ing people to stick banana-shaped objects into their mouths they make claims like: “If you stuck a group of sci­ent­ists in a room with a paint­ing then, with noth­ing from the out­side world, they would con­clude there was a painter.” Now I don’t think they would. I can­not simply see design in com­plex objects, so are the cre­ation­ists wrong or am I thick?
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Is the Heart of the Universe is Satanic?

The Neuro­philo­sopher points to a web­log with a very spe­cial grip on reality.

Blogs4Brownback is a site ded­ic­ated to put­ting Sam Brown­back into the White­house. Brown­back seems to be an inter­est­ing can­did­ate adher­ing to the motto “A faith isn’t for life, it’s just for Christ­mas”. He’s moved from Meth­od­ism to Cath­oli­cism and now, if Blogs4Brownback is to be believed, he’s chas­ing the Satan­ist vote.

The clues are fairly blatant. He’s anti-abortion and pro-war clearly to curry favour with his new mas­ter who wants to see suf­fer­ing. The web­log shows him bar­ing his teeth in a satanic grin through a van­dal­ised Amer­ican flag charred with brim­stone. And now he’s arguing that chil­dren should be taught that the uni­verse revolves around Satan.

The logic is fairly simple. As Dante made clear Satan lives in the heart of Hades deep in the under­world. Blogs4Brownback add the innov­a­tion of per­vert­ing Bib­lical scrip­ture to pro­mote Satan. The Earth, they argue, is fixed and immov­able in the Bible, thus the uni­verse revolves around it. Except when it gets pudgy and goes for a run around the Sun. Brown­back is also an advoc­ate of intel­li­gent design which is a Satan-friendly form of Cre­ation­ism.

Ah no, it’s not linked from the Brown­back cam­paign site. Pre­sum­ably it’s a spoiler to blacken his name. Amus­ing though.

Then Why Are There Still Humans?

...then why are there still humans?
Ori­ginal image by vj_pdx.

I’m busy today, so I don’t have time to put together the Dar­win Day post that I’d like to. In the mean­time here’s another Cre­ation­ism card. I’m start­ing to get an idea of how a game would work, so tent­at­ively there might be more cards up and a work­ing game for the next Dar­win Day.

One reason I’m slightly rushed is that I spent time catch­ing up on Ori­gins Revis­ited, a Radio 4 series look­ing at the updated evid­ence for Human evol­u­tion. You can listen to all three pro­grammes via the archive.

Missing Links

It’s been a while since I made one of these. How­ever Slash_Gordon was kind enough to com­ment on the Charles Dar­win card. In par­tic­u­lar he notes:

Another funny thing Mr. Dawkins, it doesn’t work. The miss­ing links that are still miss­ing make that obvious.

He has a point.

Missing Links

Actu­ally it might not be a logical tru­ism. Someone with stronger logic than I might be able to cor­rect that.

Is Steve Fuller anti-religious?

Pondering the Question of Existence
Is the per­son on the left non-existent or anti–exist­ent? Photo by TheAlieness►GiselaGiardino

I’m not act­ively look­ing for people to argue with, how­ever PZ Myers has drawn my atten­tion to an essay by Steve Fuller on Chris Mooney’s book The Repub­lican War on Sci­ence, which is eccent­ric. There are many bet­ter cri­ti­cisms of the art­icle than I have time to write. There’s not a huge desire to think about it fur­ther though, because, if Steve Fuller is right, then his own art­icle is over 8000 words of anti-religious polemic.

The reason I come to this con­clu­sion is from this passage:

Just as the ACLU helped to drive a wedge between the teach­ing of sci­ence and theo­logy, the Dis­cov­ery Insti­tute would now drive a wedge between the teach­ing of sci­ence and anti-theology, or ‘meth­od­o­lo­gical nat­ur­al­ism’ as it is euphemist­ic­ally called.

When I’m writ­ing a lec­ture on some­thing like mech­an­ics I leave God out of it because it’s not neces­sary. I also leave cus­tard out for the same reason. In this sense sci­ence is athe­istic (and acus­tardic) because there’s an absence of gods. But I didn’t see it as anti-religious (or anti-custard) because it doesn’t have any­thing to say on the exist­ence of Gods (or cus­tard). Fuller argues that this isn’t merely an absence of super­nat­ural agency – the action of leav­ing Gods out of explan­a­tions is inher­ently anti-religious.
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Loading a Survey

Chris Mooney argues at the Inter­sec­tion that the range of options in the BBC’s sur­vey on cre­ation­ism may have skewed the res­ults away from a pro-evolution stance. This reminds me of another sur­vey I was going to write about which I found on What the Nation Thinks? The ques­tion is simple:

This dates from July 2003 and given that there wasn’t a lib­eral gov­ern­ment in the USA, I’m not sure what it was that the lib­er­als were going too far with. Any­how it’s prob­ably not dif­fi­cult to guess the polit­ical lean­ings of the author, nor what res­ult they wanted. The options make it even easier to see how this is skewed.

  • Yes, Way Too Far
  • Some­what, They need to calm them­selves down
  • No, they are fine

The res­ult? The win­ner is No, they are fine on 48%. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that means 52% were anti-liberal, but by offer­ing two options to the anti-liberals the vote was split. A simple Yes/No would have con­sol­id­ated the con­ser­vat­ive major­ity. So what about this evol­u­tion poll?

Cre­ation­ism 22%
Intel­li­gent Design 17%
Evol­u­tion 48%
Don’t Know 13%
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Lord Percy / Prof Fuller: Spot the Difference

The Black Adder: The Queen of Spain’s Beard

Percy: My Lord…
Edmund: Yes, what is it?
Percy: You know, they do say that the Infanta’s eyes are more beau­ti­ful than the fam­ous Stone of Galve­ston.
Edmund: Mm! … What?
Percy: The fam­ous Stone of Galve­ston, My Lord.
Edmund: And what’s that, exactly?
Percy: Well, it’s a fam­ous blue stone, and it comes (points dra­mat­ic­ally) from Galve­ston.
Edmund: I see. And what about it?
Percy: Well, My Lord, the Infanta’s eyes are bluer than it, for a start.
Edmund: I see. And have you ever seen this stone?
Percy: (nods) No, not as such, My Lord, but I know a couple of people who have, and they say it’s very very blue indeed.
Edmund: And have these people seen the Infanta’s eyes?
Percy: No, I shouldn’t think so, My Lord.
Edmund: And neither have you, pre­sum­ably.
Percy: No, My Lord.
Edmund: So, what you’re telling me, Percy, is that some­thing you have never seen is slightly less blue than some­thing else you have never seen.
Percy: (finally begins to grasp) Yes, My Lord.

And from the cur­rent Times Higher Edu­ca­tion Sup­ple­ment:

…New­ton presen­ted his math­em­at­ical phys­ics as the divine plan that was impli­citly writ­ten into the Bible. He clearly thought he had got into God’s mind. In con­trast, Dar­win pur­sued the hum­bler path of Wil­liam Paley’s ana­logy of nature’s order being like a watch found on a beach, which implied the exist­ence of a watch­maker. Unfor­tu­nately, the fossil record revealed to Dar­win only a lot of broken half-watches, noth­ing that could have been pro­duced by a God worthy of human respect. Darwin’s humil­ity remained, but his faith disappeared.

In today’s sec­u­lar cul­ture, Dar­win is more read­ily embraced than New­ton as a sci­entific icon although New­ton remains unques­tion­ably the greater sci­ent­ist. The Amer­ican Museum of Nat­ural His­tory has an exhibit devoted to Darwin’s life that includes a recon­struc­tion of his home. This is not sur­pris­ing. Darwin’s bio­graphy pro­jects the polit­ic­ally cor­rect image of a Chris­tian who loses his faith through sci­entific inquiry. We are unlikely to see a sim­ilar exhibit for New­ton because his life teaches that the Bible can provide a sure path to great science.

I don’t recall Darwin’s the­ory being strongly built on fossil evid­ence. In fact it has a chapter where he talks about the paucity of fossil evid­ence. Equally I don’t recall the Bible being a primer on basic math­em­at­ics, so I’m not con­vinced that Newton’s tale would be one of the Bible being a sure path to great sci­ence. At the end of his life New­ton either turned from the Bible to fail at alchemy, or else the Bible’s chapters on alchemy are in error, or as a third option, Fuller is in error and the Bible is irrel­ev­ant to Newton’s sci­entific success.

Fuller goes on:

Con­trary to pop­u­lar accounts, Dar­win never provided a mech­an­istic account of evol­u­tion because he lacked a cred­ible the­ory of genet­ics. Indeed, by the time The Ori­gin of Spe­cies reached its 50th birth­day in 1909, Darwin’s the­ory was itself close to extinc­tion. It could offer only “just so”

The pop­u­lar accounts that I’ve read say that Dar­win failed to provide a mech­an­istic account of evol­u­tion, and instead tried to argue for blend­ing of attrib­utes. I’m not aware of any evid­ence that Darwin’s the­ory of Des­cent with Nat­ural Selec­tion was on its way out before the Mod­ern Syn­thesis with Mendel’s Genet­ics. Can any­one sug­gest some help­ful read­ing to plug that gap?* Mendel’s work was re-discovered in 1900 (Steve Jones Almost Like a Whale 1999 p144). While the import­ance to evol­u­tion was recog­nised there wasn’t agree­ment on exactly how that mech­an­ism worked. The dis­cus­sion was rather vig­or­ous and, I think the first paper to fully syn­thes­ise the two didn’t appear till 1918 but there were argu­ments aplenty before them. Indeed, argu­ments on the details of mech­an­ism con­tinue to this day, so I’m not quite sure how “close to extinc­tion” is an accur­ate descrip­tion. I would have thought a the­ory close to being dis­carded would have been ignored rather than debated.

I have to admit Fuller’s argu­ments are pretty con­vin­cing so long as you don’t actu­ally exam­ine the evid­ence. As a res­ult I’m not that bothered about his opin­ion per se. What is inter­est­ing is the ques­tion “How does this stuff get published?”

Incor­rect ideas are pub­lished all the time. The really inter­est­ing ones are the ones that people are still arguing are wrong dec­ades later. If you’re writ­ing on pre­his­toric Europe then Gor­don Childe, who I think has been argued by vari­ous people to be wrong on almost every spe­cific detail, is a good place to start. He may be wrong, but he’s inter­est­ing, intel­li­gent and a thought-provoking depar­ture point to dis­cuss what may have happened in pre­his­toric Europe. If you want to argue that Childe was wrong about some­thing you have to do quite a bit of work to show it. Fuller’s argu­ments on the other hand, when he presents them in clear lan­guage seem to be plainly erro­neous, irrel­ev­ant or both. And these are not dif­fi­cult things to show. If it’s not depth of thought, intel­li­gib­ilty or inter­est­ing­ness that’s the reason for suc­cess in soci­ology then what is?

Speak­ing as a non-sociologist*, it would appear there’s no qual­ity con­trol in soci­olo­gical peer-review. That doesn’t mean that all soci­ology is rub­bish. On the con­trary there’s some inter­est­ing mater­ial. Rather it means that if you want to know what the good mater­ial is, the last per­son you should ask is a soci­olo­gist. It would also sug­gest that if everything does go wrong I can move to War­wick and become a sage of sci­ence without hav­ing to do dif­fi­cult stuff. Instead I can argue that someone’s work that haven’t really read is less sci­entific that someone else’s work that I haven’t read.

…and finally. The intro­duc­tion says:

Steve Fuller argues that intel­li­gent design shows how the Bible has been a power­ful spur to science…

Well, I sup­pose he does, but he doesn’t provide any evid­ence that intel­li­gent design is the least bit sci­entific. He does seem a little intent on trash­ing his own repu­ta­tion.

* Update: Jonathan Badger and Bob O’H cor­rect me on the eclipse of Dar­win­ism in com­ments 3 and 5. Bur­idan under­stand­ably skew­ers the para­graph “Speak­ing as a non-sociologist…” in com­ment 7. I could pre­tend that the first half of that para­graph was satir­ical, but the real­ity is that it was typ­ing without enga­ging the brain. As the say­ing goes: “When arguing with a stu­pid per­son, make sure they’re not doing the same.”